Creating a negative voltage from a positive one

by Stephen Hobley on March 28, 2011

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If you use opamps like the TL082/84 you’ll be in need of a “split” power supply. That is a power supply that has a positive voltage, ground, and the equivalent negative voltage (eg +5v, 0v, -5v). Since most audio signals are AC you need the opamp to operate in this range to be able to process them.

One way to get a split supply is to build a full-on rectified AC to DC power supply using a transformer…

Transformer based split power supply

But sometimes we only have +5v to work with (like when powering from a USB port). So what can you do…?

A simple way to generate a negative voltage is use a charge-pump circuit – like this one based on a 555 timer.

Charge pump schematic

The timer is in astable mode, so it’s oscillating and producing a square wave. Through careful placement of diodes it’s possible to direct one transition of the square wave to one side of a capacitor. Since the capacitor only sees one side of the waveform it is “pulled” into a negative configuration. This negative charge can be tapped on the opposite plate of the capacitor. The only current available will the charge stored in the capacitor – so in other words not a great deal. But it should be enough to run a TL084 for basic signal processing – just as long as you are not trying to power a speaker or anything.

Charge pump with 555 timer

The 555 timer runs relatively quickly, so charge is replenished rapidly as well. I have run the above circuit with an Arduino and been able to process simple audio signals +5v input gives -5v output.

It’s worth pointing out that there are custom negative voltage generator chips available too (The MAX232 is one of them) – but this circuit is so simple and the parts are really easy to find.

The following is an etch mask to make your own – 600 DPI TIFF file.
600dpi Etch Mask

Another option is to split the 5v itself to give -2.5v. 0v and +2.5v – but you need to be sure to bias everything correctly.

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Davey T March 28, 2011 at 7:04 pm

Nice idea. Worked with TL084 for ages to create the input /output stages to my Digital Delay Line using ‘Bucket Brigade Memory’ devices. Saves using a full wave Rect set up with a couple of +/- 15V LM7815 LM 7915 V Regs plus all the support Caps.

Kbryant April 2, 2011 at 4:33 am

How much current can this supply?

Stephen Hobley April 2, 2011 at 8:25 am

Ballpark figure is 10ma – I’ve been able to run TL082s from it.

nitro2k01 April 4, 2011 at 10:16 am

This circuit is theoretically sound, but depending on how much current you draw and so on, you might want to worry about purely analog factors such as ripple voltage in the output. One first thing you might want to do as good practice, even if it probably won’t make any difference in this case, is to put the cap between the diode and the output, physically on the board. If you have issues with ripple noise you could also add a choke coil or a small values resistor (<5Ω) between the diode and the cap/output. Furthermore, I'd probably like to add a small decoupling cap on the input rails.

Stephen Hobley April 4, 2011 at 10:25 am

So far ripple hasn’t been a problem and the output has been “good enough” to do some simple audio processing.
You make some very valid points – worth looking into.

nitro2k01 April 4, 2011 at 12:49 pm

BTW, I’m noticing that you have some sort of problem with Unicode on the server. My omega sign for ohms got nom’d and replaced with a question mark.

Stephen Hobley April 4, 2011 at 2:13 pm

Did you try ampersand-hash-937-semicolon for Ω ?

nitro2k01 April 4, 2011 at 4:00 pm

I did not. I just switched to Greek keyboard layout and typed the character. Which version of MySQL are you(r host) using? 4.something?

Juan Go November 30, 2011 at 12:03 pm

This circuit is enough to feed op-amps. A few mAmps is good enough for small signals. You could try it by putting diferent resistance at the output, from bigger resistance to lower resistance. When the voltage drops, you hit your limit. To fix it, you must decrease the frequency of the oscillator (lowering C1), or increase output capacitance, C3 and C2. But this has a limit: with a bigger C3/C2, you could blow the 555 output.

A.Mageed Samy February 28, 2012 at 6:41 pm

can i use this circuit if i want to obtain 20-30 volts for my op-amp ?
and the two terminals of the input are positive and ground ?
and what are the two terminals of the output ? , negative voltage and ground or something else ?

EE Undergrad March 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm

What kind of diodes would you utilize for this circuit?

Adrian November 3, 2012 at 1:27 pm

If you are using the circuit with an Arduino, why do you need a 555? You can use a PWM output from the Arduino – it’s only a simple charge pump.

Ram July 18, 2017 at 12:28 pm

We need -15v from 24VDC input
Can you have any circuits
Or any redimade modules with you..?
Please sharing..
We are looking for your reply..

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